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- From: bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca
- Subject: Re: Java closer to Modula-3 than to C++
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- References: <31308FE2.167E@sophia.inria.fr> <4h7n40$7mn@hermes.oanet.com>
- Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 22:39:41 GMT
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- In <4h7n40$7mn@hermes.oanet.com>, rdstrac@ycs.ab.ca (Roy D. Strachan) writes:
- >Frederic Devernay <Frederic.Devernay@sophia.inria.fr> wrote:
- >>[ stuff deleted ]
- >> (I still can't understand
- >>where C++ gets its success from...).
- >
- >Directly from C. A few misguided companies, probably the most
- >noticeable being Borland, closed their eyes and jumped feet first onto
- >the OOP and C++ bandwagon. Once there they had to defend their
- >position (and investment). How did they do that? They fell back on a
- >technique that Hitler perfected; "If you tell a big enough lie, often
- >enough..." Listen closely, you can still hear it ringing (C++ is
- >better, C++ is better). Horse puckey! Every time C has been
- >"improved" the compilers have become fatter and slower with the
- >uncanny ability to produce executables that are also fatter and
- >slower. What a concept; dare I say genius??
-
- I agree with your opinion of C++.
-
- >C was originally developed for writing system level code that
- >previously had to be written in assembler. Unix was mostly written in
- >C, so I guess you would have to agree that C met it's design goals. C
- >is also easy to learn. Spend fifty bucks or so on the book "The C
- >Programming Language". In less than three hundred pages every
- >imaginable question about C is answered. Amazing book; amazing OS;
- >amazing language. And one more amazing fact: Ken Ritchie figured
- >prominently in the design of all three. "So what?", you say.
-
- That is Dennis Ritchie. Maybe you are thinking of Ken Thompson? Or Brian
- Kernighan? Or Barney the Dinosaur :)
-
- >I'll tell you so what! Mr. Ritchie and his cohorts at Bell Labs are
- >about to unleash Inferno, the first real challenger to Java. Think
- >about it, when it comes to books, operating systems and languages,
- >these guys have "Been there" and "Done that". I believe Inferno could
- >easily turn out to be a contender. Of course nothing has been
- >delivered so we're just going on pedigree here.
-
- They are not about to unleash it, according to what Dennis Ritchie last
- said. It has a ways to go. They believe they can do better, and so do I,
- but by the time they are done, the investment in Java will be so great
- that noone will want to know. Same thing that happened to C++ and
- languages like Modula-3.
-
- Carsten Whimster -- carsten_whimster@iqpac.com
- -- EDM/2 Associate Editor and Book reviewer
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